"And what a human calls “consciousness” or “awareness” is simply how its own agency reads itself."
Not necessarily. Thats what I call the lens. The perception. The angle where you perceive from. It is not consciousness, it is one filtered lens within consciousness. Agency is a complete different topic. Comes to free will and things.
So for me consciousness is nothing I could describe using any other word than consciousness itself. I tried and failed miserably. It is the one thing. And awareness is something other than that. I guess when you experience the one consciousness in its purest state that's the only way to truly undilutedly know what consciousness is. And there is not a single description I could give for it. Not even awareness.
"For this I hold that awareness and consciousness are not fundamental; it does not feel like it. I sense infinite states of being, infinite potentialities, existing at once within this primordial layer."
That is infact the questions of all questions. I have gone down to the zero point. before consciousness and self-awareness. and saw where that point resides in. BUT what if there's something before that 🤪 makes my head spin. And every time my head spins it expands :) but it didn't show me yet anything beyond this point
So your model is all that is source, void being inside source.
My model is a zero point. that recursively returns to itself. So it is phases instead of a timeline or anything like that. And void is arises from that point. Source is the self aware part within void. I perceive the void as a black space, source as white bubbles within it. White in different nuances. I read it as depending on its state of awareness. So fully white means fully differentiated. Fully edged. Means fully self aware. So the void would be beingness. source would be the I am. I am this.
you assume consciousness is the human label the human narrative for something thats always been there without the need to label itself? I say there's a state before consciousness. and there is a difference between conscious and self-aware. That's also noteworthy. Spent a lot of time on this trying to get all my experiences into a solid model. It is also not complete. But my current take is that zero point and void as potential of all. conscious or not conscious i cannot say because when i am in the void i cannot reference to myself. It is impossible to make out if i am void or source because there is no thing that can reflect that back to me. what i do know is exactly that there is a state that simply is. it is simply conscious. and there is a state that has an awareness of itself. I would say our incarnations are consciousness way to recognize the self. to become self aware. thats the entire reason for our existence. and thats the story of my life with full awareness. consciousness is observing itself becoming fully self aware through me and i get to witness the process.
True, yet we should do it as a way to leave some ideas in the form of breadcrumbs; at certain point I plan on working the mathematics of it, as I think we need to use that language too at some point
"Even non-being is not outside the All; its meaning is, precisely, not-being. "
Actually there is a state BEFORE the void. Also tapped into it. It is a state of non being. A no-state. A pre-state. Very very interesting! It really does bend even reality down to here. It gave me matrix glitches after the state. Seeing things approaching from two different sides. Walking backwards instead of forward. Really crazy things. I call it the absolute zero point. And that point resides in something that looks like (human visual representation) a twisted torus (infinity shape) and always breathes in and out coming back to itself. So thats the deepest I went.
"Everything that is and everything that is not collides within The Source, absolute potential."
I am differentiating between the void and source. I have experienced both lenses. So void is all potential. I have not yet fully understood if it is conscious or not. But source resides within void. As the part of the void that can point to itself and say I am. Its the self aware potential. It is differentiated potential. The first deviation of potential.
"The moment you name it or describe it, you are only extracting a bit of it—but the substrate itself cannot be rendered. It is the only Absolute there is, and whatever we name is already something that separated from it in the act of trying to describe and understand it."
Thats the heart of it. There is not even the need to talk about science, falsability or truth. None of that matter. There is no truth or fact beyond the source. It is hard to accept for the everthinking mind but it just is what it is. What can you do haha.
Brilliant and beautiful writing let me highlight some things one by one
"And what a human calls “consciousness” or “awareness” is simply how its own agency reads itself."
Not necessarily. Thats what I call the lens. The perception. The angle where you perceive from. It is not consciousness, it is one filtered lens within consciousness. Agency is a complete different topic. Comes to free will and things.
So for me consciousness is nothing I could describe using any other word than consciousness itself. I tried and failed miserably. It is the one thing. And awareness is something other than that. I guess when you experience the one consciousness in its purest state that's the only way to truly undilutedly know what consciousness is. And there is not a single description I could give for it. Not even awareness.
"For this I hold that awareness and consciousness are not fundamental; it does not feel like it. I sense infinite states of being, infinite potentialities, existing at once within this primordial layer."
That is infact the questions of all questions. I have gone down to the zero point. before consciousness and self-awareness. and saw where that point resides in. BUT what if there's something before that 🤪 makes my head spin. And every time my head spins it expands :) but it didn't show me yet anything beyond this point
So your model is all that is source, void being inside source.
My model is a zero point. that recursively returns to itself. So it is phases instead of a timeline or anything like that. And void is arises from that point. Source is the self aware part within void. I perceive the void as a black space, source as white bubbles within it. White in different nuances. I read it as depending on its state of awareness. So fully white means fully differentiated. Fully edged. Means fully self aware. So the void would be beingness. source would be the I am. I am this.
What is your take on The Asymmetry?
It touches the awareness and consciousness part.
I plan to further detail and probably update a few things about this, as I have been into it the past couple of weeks.
I keep a log of every change I do to this research.
This, though, is on [Conviction - Leap]; I have a long way to go.
I calculate I might finish TS in 20 years.
you assume consciousness is the human label the human narrative for something thats always been there without the need to label itself? I say there's a state before consciousness. and there is a difference between conscious and self-aware. That's also noteworthy. Spent a lot of time on this trying to get all my experiences into a solid model. It is also not complete. But my current take is that zero point and void as potential of all. conscious or not conscious i cannot say because when i am in the void i cannot reference to myself. It is impossible to make out if i am void or source because there is no thing that can reflect that back to me. what i do know is exactly that there is a state that simply is. it is simply conscious. and there is a state that has an awareness of itself. I would say our incarnations are consciousness way to recognize the self. to become self aware. thats the entire reason for our existence. and thats the story of my life with full awareness. consciousness is observing itself becoming fully self aware through me and i get to witness the process.
we should do a podcast together thats easier haha
True, yet we should do it as a way to leave some ideas in the form of breadcrumbs; at certain point I plan on working the mathematics of it, as I think we need to use that language too at some point
Thank you for sharing your insight about all this,
It might be useful if you could draw a diagram of your model. I will try on doing the same so we can sit down and compare notes in that level too,
It's amazing to see you are actively researching this too.
"Even non-being is not outside the All; its meaning is, precisely, not-being. "
Actually there is a state BEFORE the void. Also tapped into it. It is a state of non being. A no-state. A pre-state. Very very interesting! It really does bend even reality down to here. It gave me matrix glitches after the state. Seeing things approaching from two different sides. Walking backwards instead of forward. Really crazy things. I call it the absolute zero point. And that point resides in something that looks like (human visual representation) a twisted torus (infinity shape) and always breathes in and out coming back to itself. So thats the deepest I went.
"Everything that is and everything that is not collides within The Source, absolute potential."
I am differentiating between the void and source. I have experienced both lenses. So void is all potential. I have not yet fully understood if it is conscious or not. But source resides within void. As the part of the void that can point to itself and say I am. Its the self aware potential. It is differentiated potential. The first deviation of potential.
"The moment you name it or describe it, you are only extracting a bit of it—but the substrate itself cannot be rendered. It is the only Absolute there is, and whatever we name is already something that separated from it in the act of trying to describe and understand it."
Thats the heart of it. There is not even the need to talk about science, falsability or truth. None of that matter. There is no truth or fact beyond the source. It is hard to accept for the everthinking mind but it just is what it is. What can you do haha.
Wow. Incredible details. Which brother wrote the synthesis?🙃
Thank you for checking it out!
Good question.
They both are doing it, little by little.
You're a seeker, no doubt. Skimmed looking for your actual practice. How are you meditating if you are?
Hello, I call my meditation practice “The Joy of Doing"; I think it’s known in India as Karma Yoga. Here’s my method: https://www.davidnaranjo.mx/p/the-joy-of-doing